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Desktop Metal, Inc. (NYSE: DM), a leader in additive manufacturing technologies, has reported a solid financial performance for the fourth quarter and full year of 2023. The company announced a 29% increase in recurring revenue and a significant improvement in non-GAAP gross margins, which rose to 34% in Q4 from 21.9% in Q3.

For the full year, non-GAAP gross margins reached 27%, marking a 450 basis point improvement. Desktop Metal achieved revenue of $190 million for the year, aligning with market expectations. The company is optimistic about reaching positive adjusted EBITDA in the second half of 2024, with expected revenue ranging from $175 million to $215 million.

Key Takeaways

  • Desktop Metal reported a 29% increase in recurring revenue for the year.
  • The company’s non-GAAP gross margins significantly improved to 34% in Q4 2023.
  • Full year revenue met expectations at $190 million, with a forecast of $175 million to $215 million for 2024.
  • Desktop Metal expects to achieve positive adjusted EBITDA in the second half of 2024.
  • The company is focusing on profitable product lines and de-emphasizing certain business subsets.

Company Outlook

  • Desktop Metal is prioritizing its most profitable product lines and exploring growth in defense, aerospace, healthcare, and other sectors.
  • The company holds a dominant market share in printed castings and is expanding its presence in key global markets.
  • A partnership with Align (NASDAQ:ALGN) Technologies in digital dentistry is contributing to the company’s strong growth.

Bearish Highlights

  • Adjusted EBITDA for Q4 2023 was negative $9.2 million, although it improved by $11.9 million from the previous year.

Bullish Highlights

  • Desktop Metal has made significant progress in reducing losses and is on track to become profitable.
  • The company has a robust IP portfolio and leading market positions in binder jetting and healthcare applications.
  • There are substantial growth opportunities in the near term, especially in defense programs.


  • The P-50 product line has not yet become a significant part of the company’s revenue.

Q&A Highlights

  • CEO Ric Fulop discussed the company’s potential in the manufacturing industry, citing a customer base with only 3% penetration and a predicted $20 billion capital expenditure cycle over the next 10 to 15 years.
  • Fulop highlighted the company’s dominant market share and expansion plans into the Latin American market.

In the earnings call, CEO Ric Fulop expressed confidence in the company’s path to profitability and its leadership in the additive manufacturing industry. Fulop pointed out that only a small fraction of their potential customer base is currently utilizing their machines, indicating a vast opportunity for growth. He also mentioned that Desktop Metal is the highest-performance fine powder system on the market with their P-50 product line, despite it not being a significant revenue contributor yet. The company is actively seeking to optimize the distribution of its photopolymer products and is open to partnerships to enhance business growth. With a focus on reducing operating expenses and a strategic review process underway, Desktop Metal is poised to leverage its strong market position and innovative technologies to capitalize on future industry growth.

InvestingPro Insights

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  • The company’s market capitalization currently stands at $214.26 million, reflecting the market’s valuation of the firm after recent trading activity.
  • Desktop Metal’s price-to-earnings (P/E) ratio is negative at -0.65, and this metric has further declined to -1.17 when adjusted for the last twelve months as of Q4 2023, signaling that the company is not currently generating profits relative to its share price.
  • Despite improvements in gross margins as reported, Desktop Metal still suffers from weak gross profit margins overall, with a figure of 11.11% for the last twelve months as of Q4 2023. This is an important consideration for investors, as it indicates the percentage of revenue that exceeds the cost of goods sold and can be used to pay for operating expenses and other costs.

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Full transcript – Trine Acquisition A (DM) Q4 2023:

Operator: Greetings, and welcome to Desktop Metal’s Fourth Quarter and Full Year 2023 Earnings Conference Call. [Operator Instructions] As a reminder, this conference is being recorded. I would now like to turn the conference over to your host, Mr. Michael Jordan, Vice President of Finance and Treasury. Please go ahead.

Michael Jordan: Good morning, and thank you for joining today’s call. With me today are Ric Fulop, Founder and CEO of Desktop Metal; and Jason Cole, CFO of Desktop Metal. Please note, our financial results press release and presentation slides referred to on this call are available under the Events & Presentations section of our Investor Relations website. This call is also being webcast live with a link at the same site. The webcast and accompanying slides will be available for a replay for 12 months following this call. The content of today’s call is the property of Desktop Metal. It cannot be reproduced or transcribed without our prior consent. Before we begin, I’ll refer you to our safe harbor disclaimer on Slide 3 of the presentation. As a reminder, today’s call will include forward-looking statements. These forward-looking statements reflect Desktop Metal’s views and expectations only as of today, March 15, 2024, and actual results may vary materially based on a number of risks and uncertainties. For more information about the risks that may impact Desktop Metal’s business and financial results, please refer to the Risk Factors section on Form 10-K in addition to the company’s other filings with the SEC. We assume no obligation to update or revise the forward-looking statements. Additionally, during the presentation and the following Q&A session, we may refer to our results on a non-GAAP basis. Non-GAAP measures are intended to supplement, but not substitute for performance measures calculated in accordance with GAAP. Our financial results release contains the financial and other quantitative information to be discussed today as well as a reconciliation of the GAAP to non-GAAP measures. I’ll now turn the call over to Ric.

Ric Fulop: Thank you, Michael, and welcome to our Fourth Quarter 2023 Conference Call. We’re in the final stages of our restructuring to get profitable on the cash we have. As part of this effort, our process is to aggressively prioritize our lines of business based on time to cash flow, given the headwinds our industry faced when rates went up. Additive Manufacturing is a growth industry, and it’s grown double digits annually over the past 2 decades to about $18 billion a year, apart from very short periods in 2008 and 2020. From 2015, when we started Desktop Metal and through 2022, our core technology, binder jet grew at a compounded annual growth rate of about 40%. While we saw growth slow in 2022 as rates went up, we expected growth to come back in ’23, but learned together with our peers the effect of higher cost of capital and project delays on new technology. As a result, our industry was flat in the past year, but we expect it to go back to double-digit growth over time as CFOs get accustomed to this new environment. As such, we have planned conservatively this year but we do see signs of growing demand in defense, aerospace, health care and many other segments, which I will outline in detail on this call. The use of our machines and recurring revenue is at a record all-time high. This proves customers who have adopted the technology are getting great value from it. Recurring revenue is defined as services revenue along with consumables and subscription revenues. We have record recurring revenue of $65 million in 2023 and as a percentage of total revenue, it grew by 29% year-over-year to represent a record 34% of revenue, that’s up from only 24% of revenue in 2022. In terms of getting profitable, we believe we’re ahead of our peers. We started our journey to get profitable before others and we have cut OpEx cost by about 40% since we began our effort with only modest revenue losses. While we didn’t make our internal target of adjusted EBITDA positive by the end of last year, as some customer projects rolled into 2024, we’re now very, very close to that goal at this new lower cost structure, and we see many opportunities in 2024 that will help us get there. For example, some areas that are outperforming the industry include our printed castings business, which grew 27% in 2023 to a record $73 million. This technology is rapidly being adopted in the defense industry and by aerospace companies like SpaceX, Airbus and Boeing (NYSE:BA) or automotive leaders like Tesla (NASDAQ:TSLA) and Toyota (NYSE:TM). We’re the leading player in this segment with over 80% share in systems and with huge growth potential this decade as we expand into key global markets where we haven’t had a strong go-to-market presence in the past such as Latin America. Less than 5% of foundries have adopted this technology, but we see a day where every single one of them will be using it. We estimate this will be a $20 billion addressable opportunity that will one day see over $1 billion a year of systems sold as the process matures, and reaches full penetration by the more than 25,000 foundries globally. I will detail customer adoption examples later in the presentation. Another fantastic growth area is our digital dentistry product, which we are doing in partnership with Align Technologies. We have already signed over $32 million in total contract value in our first year and growth in this product compounded at over 25% quarter-over-quarter. We expect this new business to be a meaningful part of our company by the end of the year as this is an attractive way for dentists and DSOs to digitize their practices and adopt printed restorative parts. Restorative dentistry is poised to go 100% digital over the coming decade, and this represents a $30 billion a year global opportunity. I will detail these and other promising examples of our growth drivers later in our call. We are 100% focused on fixing the portions of our business where we’ve had challenges. One of them is a Direct Metal business for systems under $0.5 million. Those used to be traditionally sold through channel versus direct sales. And in this case, we used to use the Stratasys (NASDAQ:SSYS) channel, which was a legacy of their original investment in Desktop Metal in 2015, as we lost access to the Stratasys channel partners throughout 2022 and 2023, our sales in the sub-$0.5 million segment were impacted. And since last fall, we have been adding go-to-market resources to remedy that. The access to a go-to-market channel was one of the attractive features of that merger last year, and we’re now taking our medicine and building our own go-to-market in that segment. We have continued to work diligently to bring our cost structure in line with our current revenue run rate and near-term opportunities ahead of us, which was evident in the fourth quarter. For the full year, we reported revenue of $190 million compared to $209 million in the prior year. This result was in line with the expectations we shared in the third quarter, and it largely reflects the impact of the macro environment on CapEx budgets that weighed on our volume throughout the year. Lower system sales were partially offset by a 29% increase in recurring revenues. We have made excellent progress reducing losses, and Jason will detail in a few minutes. We expect our adjusted EBITDA run rate to be positive in the second half of the year. Our full year adjusted EBITDA loss decreased from negative $118 million in 2022 to negative $69 million in 2023. From Q1 2022, the last full quarter since commencing our cost reduction efforts, adjusted EBITDA losses have decreased 78% posting 2023 at $9 million in the fourth quarter. This fourth quarter 2023 adjusted EBITDA loss is also down 56% compared to fourth quarter 2022. We continue to be on a relentless march to adjust our cost structure and reach profitability, and we are making excellent progress in this effort. We’re focusing on execution and are looking forward to letting our results speak for themselves this year. While none of our peers are truly profitable, we have outpaced our industry in our execution to get profitable and are now very, very close. We’re looking forward to crossing the adjusted EBITDA profitability threshold in 2024 and getting back to growth as we focus on the parts of our business where we have the best-in-class solutions that solve the most important customer problems. We believe after we complete the cost actions outlined to date, we will be adjusted EBITDA positive in the second half of 2024 even a muted growth. As we prioritize our offerings for time to cash flow today, we have also announced our intention to deemphasize specific subsets of our business, principally focused on some of our photopolymer technologies. To be clear, we continue to believe in the strength of these technologies and their long-term potential. While difficult, this decision helps us stream cash-consuming businesses and focus on our more profitable product lines, and we believe this will further accelerate our path to adjusted EBITDA profitability. We continue to have the industry-leading portfolio for mass production with nearly 100% of our products focused on end use parts and any small amount of growth at this cost structure will yield very good results in the bottom line. While we’re prudently managing our business for the environment that we’re in, we believe there remains a substantial near- and long-term growth opportunity available to us as the Additive Manufacturing 2.0 secular growth story resumes. We’re positioned to emerge as the leader in the space with the broadest set of products and capabilities for mass production in our industry. We hold the leading market share position in binder jetting and the leading position in health care applications with our DLP technology across a very wide array of materials and end users and have an enviable IP position with close to 1,000 patents. We have the best materials in health care restorative dental parts. This past quarter, we officially launched after a 1-year trial with our partner Align Technologies. I encourage you to visit the site. We also recently launched our Flexcera Base Ultra+, which has much better properties — competitors, making Flexcera the leading solution for restorative dental parts. Since its inception, we have sold more than 20 metric tons of Flexcera, which is enough to make more than 1 million dentures, crowns and other dental products. That makes Flexcera the leading solution for permanent digital restorations in a total addressable market estimated to be several billion dollars. Flexcera is also a very profitable business for DM with gross margins approaching 70% and it also shows no signs of slowing down. We continue to see record adoption of Flexcera. In terms of application adoption in binder jet, we have made excellent progress. We’re changing the way cars, planes and space parts are made. We have grown into the global leader in silicon carbide for Additive Manufacturing. Carbides and other advanced ceramics are materials with amazing properties and are used in electric vehicles, cutting tools, optics and space structures. Desktop Metal, now has parts in space with many of the major defense contractors and several large satellite constellations are already using or planning to use our technology. It was a huge milestone for Desktop Metal to get both silicon carbide and metal production parts flying in space in 2023. On the metal front, we now have several printed castings in the SpaceX Raptor engine with our technology. In 2023, we also saw our parts get to the moon on the intuitive lander. That’s an amazing accomplishment. I never would have believed was possible when we started the company. We also saw and continue to see great adoption for our technology in printed nuclear materials. We’re the only company in the world that makes printers for this application, and many next-generation propulsion and energy systems are now using our technology in that market. We also saw giants like Airbus and Boeing use our systems for many applications including large embark tooling for wings and winglets in their most advanced airliners like the 787. We have seen adoption across the board with the Defense Logistics Agency to print components from marine and underwater applications. The fuel systems for the F-35 are now made with our technology by our customer, Eaton (NYSE:ETN). And we now have parts flying in multiple production jet engines, for example, the Rolls-Royce (OTC:RYCEY) Trent, also with our customer Eaton, and on Pratt & Whitney jet engines with our customer, Magellan Aerospace. Tesla has also had great success with their giga casting process for our binder jetting of molds is now extensively used in the front end of the process to cost-effectively enable this new vehicle design and engineering approach. All our customers like Toyota and other OEMs are going all in and are racing to adopt this new way of making cars, which reduces the number of parts in a vehicle and means huge growth opportunities for binder jet. These are huge accomplishments for 2023 that will yield significant growth opportunities in the near term. The U.S. Department of Defense has been a great partner in helping us advance the state-of-the-art of this technology and we have a large backlog of programs in line that should also yield tens of millions in additional growth in 2024 and 2025. Almost all Sikorsky helicopters now have at least a dozen parts made with our technology, and we have major programs like these at the moment with companies like Northrop Grumman (NYSE:NOC), Lockheed Martin (NYSE:LMT), L3, Coherent (NYSE:COHR) and many others. Magnesium parts for aerospace is also a highlight of our capabilities as this lightweight alloy is not processable with all forms of printing, and we have qualified this process for aerospace and now have parts with these lightweight materials flying in various defense and commercial aircraft. Our Figur sheet metal forming products have had great early adoption, and we have sold out our initial builds. We project this will also be a great area for growth in the coming year. In terms of sizing up how large can the printed casting market get, this is an area where we grew 27% in the past year. So how big can this be? We have 25,000 sound foundries globally. Today, the penetration is well under 5% for this technology. And we believe that over the next 10 to 15 years, every single one of these foundries will be using printed castings as this becomes a standard process to make these types of metal parts. That translates to more than $20 billion CapEx cycle that gets installed over a 10- to 15-year period. If you believe in S-curves, and we’re at a 3% mark, we’re looking at a market that can eventually grow to more than $1 billion a year as this technology gets broadly deployed and today, we’re the 80% market share player in this segment. We have a larger pipeline of projects today than we’ve ever had. I do believe that it’s only a matter of time till double-digit growth resumes in our sector and we’re poised to benefit dramatically as it does. Most analysts project a 5x increase in the size of our market by the end of the decade, pushing adoption from $18 billion a year to over $100 billion a year by 2031, and this doesn’t even include the impact of markets of the future where artificial intelligence is driving accelerated traction in new segments like humanoid robots. Let me pause here for a second and give you an example of how this can be a massive opportunity for Desktop Metal. We’ve been big believers in artificial intelligence since we started our company. Before most other companies in 2018, we launched one of the world’s first generative design tools in the market. This is an artificial intelligence product called Live Parts. Over time, we repositioned that for simulation of powder metallurgy through our industry-leading product, Live Sinter. That allowed us to build the world’s largest neural network library of materials to simulate powder metallurgy consolidation. Today, it’s used by all of our customers in major companies like Lam Research (NASDAQ:LRCX) to make their products, and it’s an area that sets our company apart and ahead of competitors. If you believe artificial intelligence is real and the future of artificial intelligence and printing will equal humanoid robots, then we’re very well-positioned for this future. We’re also a leader here with our printed hydraulic technology from hydro in our low-cost, lightweight metal printing solutions that can be used to make aluminum and magnesium limbs. We have several customers developing solutions for these markets. And while today, this is a very tiny portion of our revenue. We believe this application has tremendous potential. This market will create huge opportunities for Additive Manufacturing and for actuators, which today represent the bulk of the cost in these robots. The biggest challenge to this market will be cost and power consumption. Most of the cost in a humanoid robot is in the neodymium powered actuators, in the lightweight complex 3D limbs or the hydraulic actuators. As a leader in low-cost printed castings materials like magnesium and printed hydraulics, we have the technology to be one of the leading providers of picks and shovels as this coming revolution materializes. In coordination with our MIT research partners, we recently began to adapt our artificial intelligence-driven generative design tool Live Parts so that it can generate shapes for smart limbs. The weight savings and the energy capture opportunities from structural series elastic actuation allows you to reduce the power consumption in these robots. Our presentation shows a preview of this exciting work, and we look forward to sharing more about this as we get these tools and parts in the hands of more customers and they start to showcase their work. This is an application that one day could be bigger than everything we do today combined, and it could be a killer app for our printed casting technology. Finally, we’ve just begun to see the benefits of an expanded global installed base that is using Additive Manufacturing equipment for real production. Utilization of our products at our customer sites are increasing, as evidenced by growth of recurring revenue streams. Our recurring revenue grew in 2023 by 29% from $50 million in 2022 to a record $65 million in 2023. Further, our services business continues to supplement our growth, which increased 15% year-over-year, as I noted. Importantly, this demonstrates that while some projects may be delayed by higher cost of capital, our customers continue to expand their usage and engagement in our solutions during the same time period, demonstrating clear product market fit as recurring revenue grew from 24% of revenue in 2022 to a record 34% of revenue. In closing, while 2023 proved to be a challenging year amidst higher cost of capital headwinds, we remain confident in the long-term growth potential of additive manufacturing in Desktop Metal’s leading position in mass production. Our focus for 2024 is reaching profitability through the realization of our cost-saving initiatives. In the long run, additive manufacturing is the future, and Desktop Metal is poised to emerge from this cycle as a clear leader. I want to thank our employees, customers, partners and shareholders for their continued support and sacrifices. We look forward to updating you on our progress next quarter. With that, I will turn the call over to our CFO, Jason Cole. Jason?

Jason Cole: Thanks, Ric. Beginning on Slide 17, you will see highlights of our financial performance for the fourth quarter and full year of 2023. Please note, we will be referring to several financial metrics on a non-GAAP basis. Reconciliation to GAAP data is included in the filed appendix. Before diving into our results, I would like to spend a minute discussing the strategic actions we have taken to improve our costs. While our industry has struggled to reach scale, we remain committed to driving Desktop Metal to profitability on the cash we have. As our top line softened, you’ll recall, we announced $100 million in annualized cost reductions in 1Q ’23 followed by an additional $50 million of annualized reductions January of ’24 for a total of $150 million in cumulative annualized reduction. These reductions have driven efficiencies across positive sales and OpEx, which have steadily improved our operating leverage across ’23 and will continue to do so into 2024. Today, we are also announcing additional cost reduction measures, which include our intention to de-emphasize select business lines principally within our photopolymer businesses, where a lack of growth and scale have been a headwind to profitability. These actions are above and beyond the previously announced $150 million. These are technologies we believe hold tremendous potential for future growth and profitability. Unfortunately, we also accept at their current scale, they are lost leaders within our portfolio, and we are no longer positioned to shepherd them to profitability. We are committed to exit these businesses and are exploring alternatives on how best to do so, which may include divestiture. Overall, I am pleased with the progress we are seeing since 2023 and the following slides will demonstrate the progress we have continued to make. Consolidated revenue for the fourth quarter of 2023 was $52.3 million compared with $60.6 million in the fourth quarter of 2022. Sequentially, revenue increased 22.4% from the prior quarter. For the full year of 2023, consolidated revenue of $189.7 million compared to $209 million in 2022. Product revenue decreased primarily due to a reduction in units shipped during 2023, driven by the macroeconomic conditions impacting the Additive Manufacturing industry. This was partially offset by strength in our recurring revenues of 29% year-on-year. Non-GAAP gross margins were 34% for the fourth quarter of 2023. Gross margins improved 970 basis points versus the prior year period, driven by improved absorption of fixed costs. Sequentially, gross margins improved from 21.9% in the third quarter of 2023. On the right side of the slide, full year 2023 non-GAAP gross margins were 27%, a 450 basis point improvement over the prior year period of 22.5%, driven by the actions we have taken to improve our cost structure. On the next slide, non-GAAP operating expenses were $31.6 million for the fourth quarter of 2023. Through actions under our initial 2022 cost optimization initiative, we reduced non-GAAP operating expenses sequentially by $1.6 million and year-over-year by $6.8 million. Fourth quarter 2023 non-GAAP operating expenses closed at $31.6 million, down 17% year-over-year compared to $37.9 million fourth quarter of 2023. Adjusted EBITDA for the fourth quarter of 2023 was negative $9.2 million, improving year-over-year by $11.9 million compared to the fourth quarter of 2023. Full year 2023 adjusted EBITDA was negative $69.1 million compared to prior year period of $118.4 million. Adjusted EBITDA is trending in the right direction as the $100 million in cost reduction actions completed in 2023 continue to positively impact adjusted EBITDA. The $50 million of cost reductions announced in January of this year combined with the cost reduction measures announced today will continue this trend. With respect to the $50 million cost-out program announced in January, we expect to begin realizing the majority of these savings in the first quarter with the balance completed through the year-end. These measures included a further 20% reduction in our workforce, 3 additional site consolidations, continued efforts to streamline centralized costs and the sunsetting of several slow-moving product offerings. We believe we are now positioned to be at or near breakeven in 2024, assuming no material growth. As a further proof point of cost reduction progress, this quarter’s cash consumption from operations was down 62% when compared to $56.3 million consumed in the first quarter of 2022. As a reminder, 1Q ’22 was the last full quarter of results before commencing our cost reductions with continued improvement throughout. Lastly, we finished the year with $82.6 million in inventory. We are positioned to execute on expected first half demand and remain committed to optimizing inventory management, monetizing the inventory we have and improving our cash flow and working capital in 2024. Moving to our financial outlook on Slide 21. We are continuing to observe some persistent macro and industry-wide headwinds, which began to emerge in mid-2022, and we’re well underway by early 2024. We believe we are well-positioned from a cash and cost perspective while being ready to capitalize on the significant growth opportunities that remain in front of us once conditions become more favorable. We anticipate generating revenue in the range of $175 million, $215 million in 2024. We expect the momentum in the improvement of adjusted EBITDA to continue throughout 2024 and as such, we expect full year 2024 adjusted EBITDA to be negative $30 million to negative $10 million. We do expect in the second half of 2024 that we will begin recognizing positive adjusted EBITDA as we realized the nearly full benefit of the $150 million cost savings programs. Additionally, the guidance reflected today does not include any businesses which may roll off as part of our strategic review process. With that, we’ll take some questions. Operator?

Operator: [Operator Instructions] And our first question will be from the line of Greg Palm with Craig-Hallum.

Greg Palm: I guess, starting with the guidance range for fiscal ’24, it’s a fairly wide range. So maybe you can give us some color or maybe assumptions on top end versus low end and some of the assumptions behind that and certainly, what you need to accomplish to get to the midpoint?

Jason Cole: Yes. Thanks, Greg. I think that range is — it’s plus or minus $20 million, about 10%. So I think it’s narrower than we did last year, but I appreciate it may still feel wide to you. We think our seasonality curve is basically 1 and 3Q are typically softer sequentially and we’ll strength in 2 and 4Q. We do believe this is a year where we see some opportunities to return to year-on-year growth across all of ’23 that was not the case. So at the midpoint at $195 million, I think we feel like that’s modestly above. I think our expectation would be that we think we can perform in the top half of that. I think we generally guide with that expectation. But there’s also — we’ve been surprised before. So I think we’re navigating sort of some of the weakness we saw is continuing at the beginning of the year, but we think we can turn the corner and we have some good opportunities in front of us. So I guess we’ll look forward to seeing how we perform in 1Q and proving it and not getting ahead of ourselves before we can prove it.

Greg Palm: And just any color on kind of the cadence of the year? I mean Q1 is almost done at this point, I guess, a couple more weeks left in the quarter, but cadence of revenue, any expectations for the year?

Jason Cole: Yes. I mean, again, I think the seasonality curves will kind of follow the same structure. While it is close to the end of 1Q, we have a late-breaking kind of product revenue cycle. So we’re still kind of working on a variety of things down the stretch, which gives us some degree of variability. We’re not here to guide 1Q at this moment, but we’re looking forward to the middle of May, giving you that update. I guess the only thing I didn’t touch on was the profitability. I think the adjusted EBITDA range that we guided basically reflects it’s going to improve across the year, the $150 million continue to take hold. So it’s probably more front-end loaded, but we feel like we can perform well in that range as well.

Greg Palm: Got it. And then just last one. I know, Ric, you talked a lot about various kind of end markets and technologies and ones you’re seeing some success. Maybe I missed it, but I didn’t hear a lot on consumer electronics, which was supposed to be a big kind of area of focus in growth in ’24. So can you maybe just give us a little bit of color on what you’re seeing in that end market specifically?

Ric Fulop: Look, absolutely. It is still a huge opportunity for Additive Manufacturing, we still work on it. But we go at the pace of our customers. So we continue to work in driving those segments. We have some areas of the business that performed extremely well. As you saw in our slides, we today have part of the business that outgrew the pace of growth of our industry where we’re dominant, like in our Printed Casting segment, where we did 27% growth in the past year. And we also have been surprised by the strength of our business in the defense and aerospace segments. If you asked me at the beginning of last year, did we expect to see Desktop Metal parts in the moon? I didn’t. And if you asked me at the beginning — I mean, I know we have programs and things, but these things actually did get there. And we have the permanent defense building important constellations of satellites that extensively use our technology. Those are now flying in space. We had Starship with SpaceX yesterday, there’s close to 200 printed castings that are used in that system platform. And so we’re very proud of those efforts. And there’s many areas of the business that are growing really nicely. There are some other areas that are challenging. And there are some customers, they’re going to be massive, but they take longer to get their products out. I highlighted in our presentation, 2 slides on an upcoming market that I think is pretty interesting that I also didn’t expect at the beginning of the year where we’d have a real possibility to build a massive business. And that’s in artificial intelligence-driven humanoid robots have been surprised by the investments from multiple major companies, some of them which are our customers who are planning to launch products that some analysts forecast to be very, very large markets. And so if those things happen, we could be a major purveyor of the smart limbs that go in those systems, which today project about 1/3 of the cost structure of that and some analysts have talked about those markets eventually becoming as large as the cell phone industry or electric vehicles, I think it’s too early to tell whether that’s going to happen that way. But I think we can all agree that added manufacturing is going to have a growing and more important position globally as the industry matures. And we’re a part of it, like we’re in platforms like F-35. We are on pretty much all of the major helicopter systems from the U.S. and in other countries, major companies like Lockheed and Sikorsky are large customers. There’s a lot of investment in Naval. So we were surprised by the strength in that part of the business, and it’s offset some sort of activities that some of our large consumer electronic customers have had in deploying this technology. But activities continue, and we will update as they make progress.

Greg Palm: But just to be clear on consumer electronics specifically, so are you saying that’s not going to be an area of growth in I think ’24, maybe that’s pushing out to where there is.

Ric Fulop: I would say that when we entered ’23, I didn’t expect to have parts in the moon or in large meter class structures in major constellations or that there would have been a huge success on things like SpaceX most recent market. So to be very honest with you or also the adoption of this giga casting process, which is now scaling from Tesla, which invented the technology and where our binder jet is a key portion of the front end of that process. It’s not scaling with all the major OEMs. What I’m saying is, at the beginning of last year, I thought maybe some of these other segments would become our largest portion of the business very quickly, but we’ve had green shoots in some segments and other areas have taken longer to happen. So I’m not saying they’re not going to happen, but it’s very hard for me to predict. I know there’s a lot of activity from our customers. They are — in that particular industry, they are more secretive about their plans. And — it will go at it some pace. You will eventually see many products. And if you see the evolution of those systems where, let’s say, look at this new augmented reality hardware. It’s extremely heavy. Additive Manufacturing is a key way to make those things lightweight. It’s a key way to enable thinner more performance products in the future. So you will see it. We continue to have activities across the board with multiple companies in that space, but it hasn’t become the largest part of our revenue yet. And I’m hoping to report on it once you can go to a store and buy a well-known product.

Greg Palm: Yes. Understood. Okay. I will leave it there.

Operator: Our next question is from the line of Troy Jensen with Cantor Fitzgerald.

Troy Jensen: Maybe to start with you, Ric. Just when I hear photopolymers I guess, I think EnvisionTEC. I think at the 8-K and obviously, the Einstein product line seems to be a bulk of the business. But can you just speak more specifically about the products that you guys are shedding here in photopolymers?

Ric Fulop: Yes. So we’re not saying we’re shedding a product. So just to be very clear, and I sent a note this morning to our employees, I encourage you to read it. But we are looking at options that would allow us to properly get the distribution of those products deserve and I’m open to partnerships and other things that would help us grow our business. In the photopolymer space, we’ve sold over 20 metric tons of Flexcera, which is over 1 million ventures. We’re a market share leader in permanent restoration by far. And I think when you look at the really incredible technologies we have in foams and elastomers and other segments, we’ve continued to grow that business that this actually grew last year, but we haven’t been able to get in as many hands as it deserves. And so we’re that’s a part of frustration for me. So we’re looking at how can we make that product — those products more successful? And if you have suggestions, I’m always open to — really have — the materials are the best in the world and the products are very good. Just trying to figure out how we can get them to flourish.

Troy Jensen: Yes, I agree. Okay. Next question. Last year, the story is a lot about the P-50, right, and kind of Direct Metal printing. Can you give us an update? And I’m just curious on if you guys think you’re going to recognize as much revenue for P-50 this year?

Ric Fulop: It’s really a great question. And look, we’ve had to make tough choices as a company. We have 7 quarters of continuously reducing operating expenses, 8 quarters of gross margin expansion. And some of these very advanced technologies that sometimes are a little bit ahead of themselves lead to spending on the technology side that you can’t afford. So we’re trying to pair our spending and control our destiny and you have to work on these things at the proper pace so we get to become a sustainable, profitable business. And so we’ll work with our customers to drive those efforts and get the products to market as fast as possible. But sometimes, we have to dial all these things and make those choices. So it hasn’t become a significant part of our business, at least a single pass jetting portion has not yet, but it is the highest performance fine powder system in the market. And as the industry matures, I think you will eventually see lots of adoption of single cascading systems. But we’re navigating that and carving a path from A to Z here where we can get this company profitable is something that we are doing very delicately to preserve the value of these technologies and, at the same time, make customers successful with it. So we — that’s probably the best example I can give you. I would love to…

Troy Jensen: That’s perfect.

Ric Fulop: Yes. Awesome.

Troy Jensen: No, I understood, Ric. And maybe I follow up just a last follow-up for Jason here. I love the chart on kind of the non-GAAP operating expenses and the clients we’ve seen. And I know you’re doing more cuts here. Can you just give us help where do you think this bottoms or are we going to see 2 or 3 more quarters of sequential or what is Q2, Q3 operating expenses look like?

Jason Cole: Yes. Thanks, Troy. I appreciate the question. We’re definitely not at the bottom because as you recall, in January, we announced a fresh cut of $50 million. Some of that was enacted in late 4Q. The decisions were made in 4Q, but the announcement, actually, I said the announcement was currently in January. So it’s definitely going to get lower from where it is. I’ll probably stop short of saying exactly how low in 1 and 2Q. But I think if you — as you’re working through your models and you look at the revenue and profitability range, on an annualized basis, you’re just taking the $50 million. This is not counting the fresh decisions that we’ve announced today. I think you can expect probably a similar mix of about 20% to 25% cost of sales and 80% to 75% in OpEx. So with those figures, you can kind of see how low we think we can get it.

Troy Jensen: Okay. Yes, that’s helpful. I appreciate that. And guys, good luck going forward here.

Jason Cole: Thank you. Appreciate it, Troy.

Operator: The final question is from the line of Jacob Stephan with Lake Street Capital Markets.

Jacob Stephan: So I just kind of wanted to follow up on the foundry opportunity. You talked about maybe you could kind of help me understand how to kind of think about this opportunity? And maybe what are you actually doing for the foundries?

Ric Fulop: Okay. So foundries need patterns and molds to pour metal into. When you do them by hand or in an analog process or with analog tooling, you have dozens or hundreds of parts to get assembled in to make what the shape of a complex casting is. That leads to tolerance stock up where you lose fidelity as all those parts kind of get stacked together. With Additive Manufacturing, you can make a single component. And so your tolerance are superior and you can reach shapes that are much more complex yet you can enable a part with the level of complexity of Additive Manufacturing and very sophisticated shapes, but do that in a way that your cost of the part approaches the cost of the raw material, which in the case of aluminum would be, I don’t know, $2 a kilogram, which is much lower than the cost of powders and other metals. That technology is more mature than some of the other things that we do in metals and ceramics. And as a result, it has been adopted faster. And the micro structure that you get from those types of products is also much better understood than the micro structure in the fatigue properties that you get from Additive Manufacture parts. When you do laser and some other processes, the fatigue properties are not as good as they are in printed castings. And there are many standards for adoption of these technologies in aerospace. And as a result, as these companies have been acquiring and adopting products for having a larger percentage of the content in these platforms made through additive, it is one of the leading technologies. It’s also one of the few technologies that is able to deliver very large parts that are multimeter in size, which is something that most other added manufacturing process don’t do. And it is dramatically faster, and I mean, dramatically faster than any other process. So for example, the fastest — the average laser system is about 80 cubic centimeters per hour, let’s say, [Vella] system. The fastest would be the SLM (NASDAQ:SLM) NXG 600 and 1,000 cubic centimeters an hour, a P-50 is 12,000 and a printed casting system, like our S-Max Pro is about 150,000. So 80 prove well versus 150,000 for our printed casting solutions in our Exerial system, can go as fast as 250,000 cubic centimeters an hour. And that’s the reason it’s being adopted in automotive where cost matters, is being adopted in many other segments like aerospace, and it’s a great technology, and it’s part of the family of processes and Additive Manufacturing. Each type of part is probably best suited to a particular process. It doesn’t mean that we’re going to make all the parts through this process. There’s plenty of room for laser and other technologies, but we are seeing great adoption in this segment. And we’re also unique in that we have very sophisticated automation attached to these products. So we’ve that includes 24/7 printing without humans involved and automated de-powdering at a different level of maturity than any of the other Additive Manufacturing processes I mean it’s being used to make in line V6 engines for people like BMW (ETR:BMWG) or parts for people like Tesla. So it is a process at scale with much better post processing and automation than other approaches with mechanical properties that are well understood and that are mature and as a result, that industry is poised for scale. If you look at the addressable market, there’s about 25,000 foundries that could take advantage of equipment, but 3% have adopted it. And so it’s less than 5%, so a year in the early part of an S-curve, I do believe that in this next — we’ve seen an acceleration. I think we did more revenue in this area than X1 did in the year we acquired it a couple of years back. And if you look at that, we added the products that came from EnvisionTEC in this segment, like our S-Max Flex (NASDAQ:FLEX), which allows you to go to countries like South America and other locations and it gives you a broader access to sort of folks that couldn’t afford a machine that costs more $1 million, and we pair it with the best-in-class solutions for X1, we’ve added Desktop Metal software and controls. And so now this is fully integrated. We market these through the X1 brand because they had a great brand in the printed casting side, and we’re building a great business in this area. So think of 25,000 potential customers, only 3% of them have it. They’re all going to have some of these machines. This is going to be like a $20 billion CapEx cycle over, I don’t know, 10, 15 years. So you should expect that this should continue be adopted over time. And eventually, one day, it’s going to be on its own a much bigger business than many other things we do today combined. And it could get to be — I don’t see a reason why at some point, it could be $1 billion business, especially if we have new applications for this technology like I was describing in this robotics plus AI revolution that we’re going to see in the coming decades.

Jacob Stephan: Got it. That’s helpful. A lot of color there. And then just kind of last one for me.

Ric Fulop: We are, by far, the dominant market share player in this space. We outsell our competitors at a systems level. Some of our competitors in that segment sell parts instead of machines. But on the machine business, which is pretty much all we do for the really like — we’re like 95% systems. We have to sell to our competitors, almost 5 to 1. So it’s not even fair. We’re really good at this.

Jacob Stephan: Okay. Interesting. And yes, just last one for me. The Latin American market, it sounds like it is a focus. Maybe you could talk about kind of initial steps that you’ve taken? Or how long I guess, how far are we in kind of the initial pipeline there?

Ric Fulop: Well, we have the systems around the world. And what we are seeing is that we now have solutions that are cost-effective for those markets with our Flex system, which is a really great machine. And I think there’s also very large foundries in those markets, whether it’s in Mexico or in South America, Brazil, et cetera. So we basically started hiring go-to-market resources for those areas before people have to like find us and come to see it in the U.S. and had — primarily, we sold to Western companies who had overseas production. And now we’re going to support and help companies around the world adopt this technology, whether it’s in Southeast Asia or in India or in South America, or in the Middle East, we’ve had growth in this emerging economies, and we’re excited to add capabilities to better support them and make our customers successful in those markets.

Jacob Stephan: Got it. Best of luck going forward here.

Ric Fulop: Thank you. We’re excited.

Operator: We’ve reached the end of the question-and-answer session. And I’ll turn the call back over to management for closing remarks.

Ric Fulop: Okay. Well, I really want to thank everybody. And in closing, I really want to thank our customers, partners in all the incredibly dedicated Desktop Metal employees, reducing our spend over 7 consecutive quarters in the pursuit of sustainable profitability really comes with many sacrifices for this team. And I also believe this experience has made Desktop Metal stronger, and it gives me very good confidence in our ability to navigate 2024 and beyond as the industry comes back to double-digit secular growth. Thank you again for your relentless efforts and dedication, and I look forward to speaking with you again on the first quarter earnings call. Thank you.

Operator: This will conclude today’s conference. You may disconnect your lines at this time, and thank you for your participation.


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